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Posté le: Jeu 19 Février 2009 21:58:08 Sujet du message: Volvo 242 LE Tarmac Setup |
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hello!
in first place i would like to do a question!
when we are configuring the setup, the rear axle is the front and vice versa??
well i was hoping to do the portuguese championship weed this car, but i can't load a tarmac stage in normal mod or tarmac mod!
is there a problem?
thanks
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I'm sorry wrong place to post! |
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Posté le: Jeu 19 Février 2009 22:16:25 Sujet du message: |
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It's now at the right place !
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Posté le: Jeu 19 Février 2009 22:23:57 Sujet du message: |
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arno f a écrit: | It's now at the right place !
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thanks!
well! i noticed that loads always mix mod...when choosing tarmac mod or bisanne in normal mod...
the differential should be setup like this image! at 70-75% to tarmac stages and 55-65% to gravel... in my opinion! |
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Posté le: Jeu 19 Février 2009 22:41:44 Sujet du message: |
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But this car doesn't exist in RBR ...
I think you talk about Volvo 242 LE |
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Posté le: Jeu 19 Février 2009 22:53:51 Sujet du message: |
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PHIL63 a écrit: | But this car doesn't exist in RBR ...
I think you talk about Volvo 242 LE |
lolol
yes
it is correct now. |
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Posté le: Lun 23 Février 2009 17:50:10 Sujet du message: |
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On the volvo the front and rear axle are indeed swithed to simulate a 2 wheel drive on the rear drive train.
If the values are locked on the differential sheets, you won't be able to have other values and we won't change the physics on that car. |
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Posté le: Mar 24 Février 2009 16:48:17 Sujet du message: |
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Flat-twin a écrit: | On the volvo the front and rear axle are indeed swithed to simulate a 2 wheel drive on the rear drive train.
If the values are locked on the differential sheets, you won't be able to have other values and we won't change the physics on that car. |
ok!
but still is not right!... it's not real! in my case i'm always looking for the most approximated to reality.
like the 2nd image below Ford Focus front differential.... not real! ther is no car with 100% pressure in it differential, and this 100% pressure is the torque set-up as 350Nm in Differential Toque menu...
thanks for answer. |
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Posté le: Mar 24 Février 2009 17:24:16 Sujet du message: |
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It's possible it is not right. Fabynou did the physics and based them on real values and maybe he will be able to tell you more but i think he's quite busy at the moment.
But it's also possible that for this particular version of the focus (which one, which pack ?) the differentials can't be adjusted and to have the most "real" value of torque on the wheels compared to what he saw on the technical specs, Fabynou put 100% of the front torque permanently on the diff.
If you have more specifiv informations about the diff sheets of the real car, it can be very usefull for Fabynou (and take contact directly with him by pm) but as I said the physics should not change for this season. |
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Posté le: Mar 24 Février 2009 18:08:12 Sujet du message: |
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i will talk to him!
as i was saying to be more specific i did a test! with MG in original game! and i came across that with no torque in torque menu and with the differential set do 0% (zero) i feels like my real car in a dirt road!
anyone can test it!
original MG Setup
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Posté le: Mar 24 Février 2009 18:41:02 Sujet du message: |
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Yes but the point is that your car doesn't have an autolock diff (or does it ? ) So obviously to have that type of behavior you must put 0% in the differential sets (not diff menu). But it's weird that you can have no torque in the torque menu in RBR (i'm just surprised that it works in fact).
I think you will have an interesting talk with Fabynou
But we should stop talking about that in this topic which is dedicated to setups |
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Posté le: Mar 24 Février 2009 22:07:32 Sujet du message: |
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i think that physics and setups are related...
but in fact the differential with out lock has no differential torque!
so! my point is! that the differential torque is the amount of pressure available and you can adjust it in Differential Map...
a to locked (very hi pressure) differential, the wheels roll always at the same time! that's not right! it is not a range rover!! heheheh
the torque needed to lock a differential in gravel is less the needed in a tarmac stage!
that will directly affect the differential lock
in my opinion!... |
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Posté le: Mar 24 Février 2009 22:36:08 Sujet du message: |
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In fact locking a differential is exactly making the 2 wheels of the same axle turning at the same speed.
The differential on our everyday cars is here to allow the wheels to have a different speed because they are not on the same circle when you are in a turn. That's why the internal wheel can burn when you accelerate a lot in a tight turn. You lock the diff to increase motricity. On the differential map, you have the amount of power on which you want to lock the differential at XX%, it's not the pressure available.
But maybe misunderstood what you wanted to say.
And maybe you're right it should not be locked at 100% on throttle map but again, I don't know how it is on the real WRC. Maybe the front diff is always locked on throttle, but i guess you're right and it's probably not like this. Once again we should have the true values to support one solution or the other.
We should open a new topic about that because it's about technics on cars, quite interesting but out of topic here |
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